Read this quote. It's from a fellow called Julian KYnaston. He runs a big-ish agency outside London:

“We tried to distill down what we felt agencies will be facing in this tough climate and we came up with a one liner, that ‘clients need better strategic advice faster’.

“I have not been a fan of the account manager and account executive role for years. Invariably, when an account executive aspires to be an account manager or an account manager aspires to be an account director there is an inherent compulsion on that journey for those people to make an enthusiastic attempt to offer clients strategic counsel or design critique. While that is fine for the structural growth of the agency I think that we have to be big enough to say that that is an awful lot of pissing around with a clients money.
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“Our simple viewpoint here is that good business does not look like junior people trying to practice their art on a client’s budget. So, part of our evolution will see us remove the titles of account manager and account executive from our structure. In place of those titles we will simply have project managers. Those project managers will sit to the side or the back of the account director and we will see almost a return to the good old fashioned apprenticeships, where the apprentice learns their trade by watching their mentor deal directly with the client… but they do not learn at the expense of the clients.”

This approach to only allow senior account directors to deal at a strategic level with clients certainly appears to answer the one on-going client gripe: “I saw the account director at the pitch, but I’ve not seen them since they won my business,” but what about at a staff level? Is this approach not cutting off promotional opportunities for staff?

Kynaston says: “I suppose you can see the old agency head viewpoint on this. We are breaking down the sustainability of agencies, we are removing promotional and aspirational lines and even more so, we are daring to tinker with a structure that someone, somewhere has deemed effective for a long time. I do not think it is effective. The truth of the matter is that currently account managers and executives get a schooling in winning business and losing a piece of business in six to 12 months. That, to me, is not a great schooling. What we are abdicating here is a change in the account director’s role, a much longer apprenticeship, a much longer time to gain experience and a pegging back of the desire of an individual to hint it might be done a better way, but to watch the account director and learn from them – and one day we may very well have an account director recruit.”

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I don't know what you think, but I fundamentally disagree. I'm not trying to say youth is right, I totally believe in learning by doing too. But the thing about the young is they haven't learn to stop questioning, they haven't learned to accept the status quo yet, they're not afraid to ask annoying questions. Quite right they should learn from elders, but quite wrong they should shut up, not have the temerity to think until they've passed some arbitrary rights of passage. If you think young people are wrong, prove it. How do you know you're right if you're not nervous anymore?

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12 responses to “Shut up junior”

  1. James Avatar

    As a yoof, I take the view that if I’ve been allowed on board a company then they’ve considered the fact that I may well consider what could be done differently or better, and would like to say so. Not to say anything would in fact be a dereliction of duty.
    This is, you might reasonably argue, a well-spun piece of post-rationalisation, but it’s the best I can do since I don’t know how a senior person thinks. My answer would be that if an agency is truly the hotbed of innovation and thought it claims to be, it shouldn’t be afraid of the junior view. It should certainly be confident enough in its method to have it challenged, and flexible enough to make changes.
    I guess in the final analysis, all I can say that if I push and get pushed back, at least all the viewpoints have been aired and we can all keep our consciences intact.

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  2. andrew Avatar

    Reading between the lines I would say Julian Kynaston’s agency wants to cut the wages bill and a first step to do this is to abolish the promotion structure so no-one can say “I’ve reached Account Manager level therefore I’m due a pay increase”. If everyone is a project manager then no-one is worth any more than anyone else.
    Or am I being horribly cynical about this? Maybe Julian is genuinely trying to find a new way of structuring an agency to face recessionary times. Maybe it is all about putting the client first.

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  3. Simon Avatar

    It’s a nice idea, but I can’t see it working. Why would someone opt to work in the backroom on an extended apprenticeship, when they have the opportunity elsewhere to get their hands dirty and make a name for themselves. Any ambitious person would surely choose the latter?

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  4. gemma Avatar

    Imagine you’re a senior account manager at this agency. Now you’ve been told that you’re a backroom project manager and to stop talking to your clients. Next stop the recruitment consultants?

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  5. Rob @ Cynic Avatar

    It doesn’t matter what age you are, it’s about the attitude and philosophy of both the person and the agency – so statements like this feel more like the act of a desperate man than someone who has the vision to make changes others wish they’d come up with themselves.
    It’s too easy to class the young as “energy with no direction” and the old as “passive and set in their ways” … it’s one of the bullshit generalisations that has got this industry in the mess that it finds itself in.
    The older I get, the more grateful I am I started my career and training at HHCL …

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  6. Andrea Avatar
    Andrea

    There are two types of parents in this world: those who will let their kids do all the stuff that they haven’t had the opportunity to and those who will refuse them everything just because they didn’t have those things when they were young.

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  7. Pieman Avatar

    Once upon a time when I first moved up to the north I freelanced at this gentleman’s agency. One thing struck me, and one thing didn’t:
    The thing that struck me was every analogy he made made reference to his alleged career as a Leeds United ‘supporter’ in the 1980s.
    The thing that (fortunately) didn’t strike me was his mobile phone, when he lost his temper in a meeting and threw it across the room at me.
    If only Michael Winner’s classic ‘calm down dear, it’s only a commercial’ adverts had been made at that time I would have known what to say to him.

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  8. northern Avatar

    Ayup Simon, I’d forgetten about that.
    Rob, was that under Richard Huntigton? Anywaym, what I really want to know is what level does one need to get to earn a pair of Birkies?

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  9. Rob @ Cynic Avatar

    I was the ‘social experiment’ of the partners [job title: sponge] from very early in the piece so by the time Richard came in [97?] I was sitting in a prison somewhere! Probably.
    As for Birkies – I offer them as a ‘welcome gift’ to anyone who joins but funnily enough, people insist that I only give it to them when they feel they’ve earnt them.
    The cynic in me would think they didn’t want to be seen dead in them but that’s not possible is it?

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  10. Tyler Avatar

    I completely agree with you, Northern Planner. The idea that youth need to be quite and learn from “experienced” account directors is complete bogus – especially in the digital world.
    Who is more qualified to speak on what youth are doing today? A 45 year old account director with a traditional focus for the last 20 years or a twenty something who lives and breathes on the web?
    The argument can be made that only account directors can run accounts. That they should be responsible for finding the right people for the clients needs (creatives, production, mobile specialist, etc). I agree with this somewhat – experience brings with it a maturity and ability to learn (from previous situations) who to bring and what to do.
    But we are in the ideas business and those ideas can come from anyone, anywhere, anytime.
    I go to work and want to be inspired by a diverse team of people. I want junior members to challenge what I say, think and do to make me (and our product) better.
    Anyone can execute a project. Some are better than others but shipping a banner and managing a timeline is easy. Thinking isn’t.

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  11. Sarah Avatar
    Sarah

    Perhaps Mr Kynaston should listen to Mr van Gogh, whom I believe said: “It is a pity that as one gradually gains experience, one loses one’s youth”.
    I think it’s blindly ignorant not to see the potential of the experience-hungry whippersnappers. After all, they will be the ones leading that company in years to come. This applies to society in general, not just our industry. If everyone’s attitude was to pat the head of juniors with a ‘look but don’t touch’ mentality, how can they expect fruitful evolution?

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  12. Tim Avatar

    Brian Clough, used to talk about a “blend” to his teams, (probably best encapsulated in the Derby County 1971-72 title-winning team- shameless plug).
    Alan Hansen said you’d never win anything with kids.
    One of the worst football pundits on TV and best managers of all time both agreed in the end with Minogue and Williams that the “kids are alright”.
    To suggest that the growth of an agency’s staff will be to the detriment of the agency’s performance on the account I think is a little short-sighted.
    Rory Sutherland’s opening piece of advice when my grad intake started at Ogilvy a couple of years ago was for us to “have an opinion”. I guess because the one’s with the best arguement behind them and the most validity wins.
    And of course, there is no direct correlation between a good opinion and experience. Alan Hansen has been a shit football pundit for years after all.

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