A friend of mine was moaning about the inevitable victory of Boney M over the Smiths. He made a good point about how bad is really good.
The Smiths should lose, it’s what they were about. If they won, they’d be popular which would be plain wrong.
So a vote for Boney M is actually a vote for the Smiths.
We win.
Is that it? Is that all you’ve got?
“Oh, if we loose, we win – because we are better?”.
Would you have said that if things had turned out a little different?
You surprise me NP.
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Come on Marcus. Everyone knows Boney M are rubbish. You know Boney M are Rubbish, even if the moaning Mancunians aren’t to your particular (subjective) taste.
You’re only winning because of the comedic irony vote.
As the great man himself wrote…that joke isn’t funny any more.
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is there such a thing as an objective taste Jon?
I actually find this all rather insulting.
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That’s very similar to the “SHE SAID NO, BUT MEANT YES” argument evil men use in court.
You sure you want to use that NP?
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Sorry Marcus, Johns’s right. You know he is.
I don’t mind losing, I welcome it.
You played well, just like Simon Cowell would have. I salute you.
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Oh no it’s not.
It’s more like people who buy low fat food and then never eat it.
A great,clever man told me about that, now what was his name?
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Oh yes it bloody is, but I wouldn’t expect you to agree, haha!
And as much as I told you about the ‘low fat food buying but never actually eating’ insight … the real credit belongs to George and Baz who undertook the work.
Saying that, I’ll happily take the compliment because at this moment I’m deeply unpopular with a few people and need to feel a bit of love, ha!
[PS: It was me who told you that wasn’t it???]
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Have you actually considered, for one minute, that you may have not done enough for The Smiths NP?
You claim(ed) that a vote for Boney M was a vote for irony – and yet you have no idea who actually voted for them.
You also assumed – before every round that my argument would focus on the irony/humour/comedy etc – but if you read them again they are not.
Your last post was more Cowell than anything I have done. Instead of focussing on what you thought was magically about The Smiths, you spent way too much time trashing Boney M.
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I’m enjoying this.
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nice try NP. But you’ve got to get up earlier to catch me out.
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I love the way NP is playing the ‘underdog’ card … very smart and shows why he is such a clever bloke.
Or do I mean manipulative fucker? 🙂
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Marcus, this is getting nasty and pesonal. The above post simply states that anyone connected to the Smiths is used to failing.
That’s it. It;s supposed to be a bit funny.
I am nota funny man obviously.
I’ll stick to swimming.
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Nonsense.
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I’m not, repeat, not going to full out with you over this NP.
I’m sorry if I hurt you feeling. I apologise.
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I meant “feelings” of course.
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great post 🙂
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the boy with the thorn in his side?
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This is like reading the great book “Pratt Of The Argus” because there’s always a critical spelling mistake that screws up all the meaning behind the story.
“I’m not going to full out with you NP” …
Hahahaha
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Nice work NP.
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At least Marcus and I agree we can’t spell
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…..and don’t be daft Marcus. I will stand up for myself though.
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I love NP and Marcus … and according to John, I can’t spell for shit either so can we all be one, happy, fucked-up family again?
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Women do say no when they mean yes, but only when it comes to “do you wane me to buy that for you”!
This debate is interesting.
Whilst I do genuinely believe Boney M were good at what they did, there is an element of falsity I dislike about them. Whereas you could never say The Smiths had a lack of honesty.
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You know what Mr M … and I swear I’m not doing this to be controvertial … but given Boney M were always honest about being a manufactured pop band, playing throwaway-songs, would you not say that is the ultimate proof of ‘honesty’?
Sure they may not of sung songs about ‘right-on’ issues like The Smiths, but then they didn’t have a lead singer who continually demonstrated a disregard towards anyone who wasn’t white or British – even if they shared the same political opinion and/or social circumstances.
Hahahaha, OK … maybe I am being a little controvertial but he the ‘Quiff’ has come out with such BNP gems as …
‘I don’t hate Pakistanis, but I dislike them immensely’ Morrissey (1977).” (Johnny Rogan, The Severed Alliance)
“I don’t want to sound horrible or pessimistic, but I really don’t think, for instance, black people and white people will ever really get on or like each other.(August 1992)
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Sorry NP … this has nothing to do with the VOTE, I was just answering Mr M’s point – albeit cheekily!
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Were Boney M honest about not singing properly? I’m not really old enough to know, but thats not the impression I ever got.
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the Smits should lose. it is the role they play in manchester music. I do not mean that they are losers (with mr. marr on guitar this is not possible), but they drew the 50% blueprint for bands to follow. they made it alright to be northern rock, showed that good tunes could survive (even in “stock aitken waterman” 80’s). what they did not show, was as important. they did not (to my knowlegde) embrace the fruits of their labour. this is what the roses and oasis put in the mix.
Perhaps the smits are more the creatives / Nikola Tesla at an agency, and the roses and oasis account planners / Edison (they completly embraced john grant new marketing manifesto rule of looking what works else where and using it in their own work). we all play a role. The Smits surely play(ed) theirs.
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monster created.
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monster?? roses & oasis??
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I am offended at the suggestion planners are in any way like post Definitely Maybe Oasis.
Though I’m happy to be working toward a career where I can be compared to Ian Brown!!
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The drunk me kinda likes be here now. Ian Brown, ’nuff said. Noel should take a cue from him.
As for the reference to planners.. it in essence holds, only I will conceit that the execution post Maybe has been subpar.
I notice that the comparison to Edison does not sting…egoboost perhaps?? 🙂
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As much as someone not yet a planner can be boosted by a praise of plannerkind!
At least it emphasizes why its so difficult to get a bloody planning job if thats the type of comparison we have to live up to 😉
(Unless of course by Edison you are referring to a nondescript indie band from 1997 that passed me by!)
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I like Boney M. Next door’s kid used to play Boney M, Rod Stewart and Chas ‘n’ Dave albums non-stop over and over again. They’re all a bit like wallpaper for me now. You spend so much time in a room you don’t even notice what’s on the walls anymore. That’s how I feel about Boney M – pleasant but mindless. I’d dance to it in public though. The Smiths I wouldn’t.
Not that I’ve been asked, or is in that anyway relevant to the original post.
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wooo, sorry for the grammar. Time for a mid-morning fag I think.
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NORTHERN PLANNER 
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